I watch CappyArmy on YouTube. Was shocked recently to learn that Russia had widely deployed StarLink in Ukraine to get orders to the front lines.
Recently this was cut off suddenly, with an immediate counter attack by Ukraine... along with Ukraine trolling the shit out of Russia frontline operatives; offering fake "recover your Starlink connection" websites and texts, scamming them out of their account credentials.
Great episode to go watch. I can't imagine how Russia thought this was a good idea?
The "Nazi salute" was just a cringy rendition of the "my heart goes out to you" thing. I can find dozens of other famous people doing something similar.
> I can find dozens of other famous people doing something similar.
The interpretation can be doubted, but you have to give credit to Elon Musk for being an actual techno-fascist coming from a family of pro-apartheid racists. Maybe it's not technically a nazi salute, but you can't argue it's not a fascist salute given his political inclinations.
> And the AfD isn't a neo-Nazi group.
Please read up on the AfD. They have nazi references in their propaganda, actual nazis in their ranks, and an actual nazi program. On that last point, when they plan secret meetings for deporting wrong-race german citizens, that's straight out of Hitler's playbook, and was his solution before the "final solution" (mass extermination).
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're simply uninformed and not actually downplaying nazism. Happy to provide sources for a specific point if you can't find any.
As someone who literally grew up next to Auschwitz - the attempts to excuse Elon's Nazi salute as anything but exactly that are just sickening. Those who don't study history are bound to repeat it, indeed. "My heart goes out to you" - a man literally doing a sieg heil. Bloody hell.
It absolutely is a Nazi salute, and it should be obvious to anyone.
>>I don't see that growing up next to Auschwitz makes you an expert in this area.
Something about being taught about this stuff endlessly at school and seeing it brought up all the time in your immediate neighbourhood makes you recognize when it happens - I guess that's just how it works.
I don't know dude - I think pretending it isn't what it very obviously is is just morally and intellectually bankrupt. We can cover our eyes and ears and pretend this isn't happening - and maybe it might even work for us and we might be spared the return of fascism as a normalized force in our society if things go right. Or we can just call it for what it is and not support it by trying to excuse it.
>> what was just an awkward moment
The whole idea that the self-proclaimed "most intelligent man on earth" didn't know what he was doing and it was actually some kind of heart felt awkward gesture is again, dishonest at best.
I could go on and on but I don't think it would make a difference. It continues to boggle my mind that the GOP, a party that for all of my life had been an enemy of Russia turned around and embraced it. I wonder why.
No it was debunked. It was always a conspiracy theory without evidence. I have read the Mueller report, it says no evidence was found of conspiracy (collusion). I can do better than regurgitating links at you and making handwaving claims about how I could go on and on, I can quote you verbatim passages which say just that.
Where is all that "ample evidence" that Adam Schiff, as chair House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, repeatedly claimed to have seen that provided Trump colluded with Putin to hack the election? He has seen it all, it's an open and shut case, so why did he go so quiet about it? Did Putin get to him too?
Obviously he has nothing and never did.
I've pressed people for specifics about this, and the only "evidence" they have been able to provide is Trump's "Russia if you're listening" speech, which is an obvious joke.
> I have read the Mueller report, it says no evidence was found of conspiracy (collusion).
You absolutely did not read the report, you listened to Barr’s brief lie about what was in it. There were endless examples of collusion and people in Trump’s inner circle found guilty of collaborating with the Russian government.
Let me guess, you also think Paul Manafort did nothing wrong?
> You absolutely did not read the report, you listened to Barr’s brief lie about what was in it.
I did.
> There were endless examples of collusion and people in Trump’s inner circle found guilty of collaborating with the Russian government.
For which apparently Mueller's team was incapable of using to substantiate any such charges, and apparently Adam Schiff seems to have lost all that evidence he lied about seeing.
The only reasonable explanation is obviously that Trump colluded with Putin to hack Mueller and Schiff, right?
> Let me guess, you also think Paul Manafort did nothing wrong?
A person who isn't called Donald Trump was found guilty of charges that did not include colluding with Putin to hack the election, but relating to to tax evasion and failing to register as an agent working for Ukraine, starting a decade before Trump's campaign started? No I don't think he did nothing wrong and never claimed he did. Nice strawman though, typical of conspiracy theorist rantings.
Did you collude with Putin today by not traveling to Russia to attempt to assassinate him or die trying?
Did Biden collude with Putin by not launching nuclear attack against Russia when he was President?
Did Obama collude with Putin when he secretly transmitted a promise to be "more flexible" with him after his election presumably in return for unspecified favors, then later meekly capitulating to Putin's annexation of Crimea?
Just because somebody does not take the most drastic or damaging action they possibly can against another, does not mean they are colluding with them or sympathizing with them. What an infantile worldview.
“Just left Ukraine. What I saw proved to me we can’t give up on the Ukrainian people. Everyone wants this war to end, but any agreement has to protect Ukraine’s security and can’t be a giveaway to Putin. Let me tell you about my trip and why it’s important we stand with Ukraine.” - Mark Kelly
Musk replied directly to that post: “You are a traitor.”
Kelly fired back the next day:
“Traitor? Elon, if you don’t understand that defending freedom is a basic tenet of what makes America great and keeps us safe, maybe you should leave it to those of us who do.”
Musk later doubled down in media appearances, stating that putting “the interests of another country above America” makes someone a traitor.
I don't see Musk making those statement about US helping the interest of other countries.
It seems like stopping Russia from being an aggressor is in the direct interest of the US. Why would Musk think otherwise?
youll notice these tech bros from South Africa are in fact white...that, considering SA history, kind of half explains (to me) their affinity towards Russia
> It seems like stopping Russia from being an aggressor is in the direct interest of the US. Why would Musk think otherwise?
He is entitled to his own opinions.
From a business perspective Russia is a bigger market than Ukraine for Starlink. And since have no political color, it makes sense for him to not be pro-Ukraine that much.
And lastly, what is in the interest of the state is not neccesarily in the interest of people and vice-versa.
Recently this was cut off suddenly, with an immediate counter attack by Ukraine... along with Ukraine trolling the shit out of Russia frontline operatives; offering fake "recover your Starlink connection" websites and texts, scamming them out of their account credentials.
Great episode to go watch. I can't imagine how Russia thought this was a good idea?