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> Coming from Thoughtworks it also gives a bit of gravitas

Why? I thought the opposite. Consultancies, of which thoughtworks is one, publish thought leadership as marketing material.


> "Where does the rigor go?"

> Engineering quality doesn't disappear when AI writes code. It migrates to specs, tests, constraints, and risk management.

These are generic "thoughts" you can get from any agency pushing AI SDLC. The pages I read through left me wondering if there was even a real retreat.


You're right that this isn't some groundbreaking revelation. If you're using AI enough to be feeling it, you're feeling/seeing what they're talking about. The purpose of a paper/retreat like this it get it all together and written down on paper, then to disseminate it to the wider world. I think the paper does a good job of collecting info that isn't wrong, and which has enough info to help guide folks making decisions.

It's drivel.

Mainly because Martin Fowler is part of their C suite

I agree that it's marketing material, but that doesn't instantly make it garbage. I've been reading their quarterly Thoughtworks Radar for a while now and it's clearly put together by people who understand the industry.


Sigh. Nobody is ever going to be happy. Would saying it came from a rando Reddit user be better?

They at least put the effort into having the retreat and putting this together. Would other consultancies (who we know little about) have of done the same?


Sorry to hear about your situation.

Have you spoken to https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/ you should be able to get some help and advocacy. And they will help you find accomodation and apply for the benefits you are entitled to.

If you can get a proper diagnosis you can also claim PIP for more support: https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-paym...

You're obviously smart and probably present as high functioning to someone working in the job centre who is not motivated to help you and frankly anything they give you, you will be massively underemployed.

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I will say something feels off with the project itself just by looking at the stats.

Obviously an LLM is doing the heavy lifting to write 1.3m lines in 4 months, but 3,900+ tests seems an order of magnitude too small to me.

What LLM are you using to generate this much code? Priority 1 right now is to get accomodation, not pay for expensive LLM API costs or subscriptions!

Best of luck!


I appreciate the thought, genuinely.

But I have to be honest: I’ve been through Citizens Advice and the benefits system for years. CA is a signposting service that directs you to the same services that have already rejected you. PIP requires a formal diagnosis, which requires years of waiting lists and assessments.

I’ve been fighting this system long before I ended up in a tent. The post explains that the state won’t help, and that’s not an exaggeration or an oversight on my part. I’ve tried.

On the test count: fair point. The 3,900+ is the core workspace (50 crates).

Satellite projects have their own test suites not included in that number. Coverage could be better. That’s part of what stability buys me.

On the LLMs: Claude Code for complex Rust architecture. Codex for pattern-heavy work. Gemini for docs and broad context. Qwen for parallel workloads. All running simultaneously with strict file ownership and pre-defined interface contracts.

But to be direct about what I’m actually looking for: I don’t want benefits. I don’t want PIP. I don’t want permanent support from the state. I want to use my brain, build complex systems, and turn AI research into reality.

What I need is 3 months of runway so I can do exactly that.


> What I need is 3 months of runway so I can do exactly that.

I think you need to be more realistic about your priorities right now, you need a job, any job, and a roof over your head mate.

The OS and runway for a start up can wait. This is not an investable proposition for anyone, what happens after 3 months of runway on a vibe coded OS?

Where's the go to market plan, where's the viable business here? I'm not saying none of that exists but you need to put yourself on more stable footing before working on it, otherwise it will remain a pipe dream.


It's not vibe code.

Please show me a vibe coded OS containing over 20 separate projects all merging together.

A from scratch kernel, from scratch hypervisor, from scratch everything.

Theres a big difference between systema architecture with AI tooling and vibe coding a little app.

This is not a vibe coded application.

I'm a 40 year old man. If I had the option to go get a job I would.

What would I do with my dog while I'm at a job? Do I leave him in the tent while I go off for 8 hours or more each day?

I'm guessing you don't fully grasp the point I'm aiming for here.

I'm hoping someone will see this and understand that I'm better than a dead end job. My brain is very unique and has the ability to do things others can't.

Honestly, if I could just go out and get a job and a place to live in would not be posting things like this.


Try this...

Go beg with your dog until you make enough for a case of water and supplies (marker / board). You sell your water for a dollar until you have made enough for a cooler, ice and more water. You keep selling water daily and move locations until you are making $100 a day. You take the money get an apartment and keep saving.

You take your savings and go to every rust conference / local meetup you can afford to travel to. You write blogs, make connections in the rust community.

If you are lucky someone might use it and write a nice tweet which will get more people to notice. One day someone at a large company will use it and pay you for support.

or

Bring the dog with you job hunting do the 35 hours and get support.


I'm not going to beg on the streets tbh. I'm not willing to stoop down to begging on the streets.

I'm not looking to sell water.

I have to be honest, i don't think you understand how real life works.

Your suggestion is to to sell water to make a few pennies and that will get me £2000 for a place to live and allow me to travel the world attending rust conventions.

I'm looking for help, not silly ideas that you saw in a movie once.

Besides anything it's literally illegal to sell food based products (drinks included) here in the UK without a proper license and it could literally land me in court for tax avoidance and all sorts.

Maybe in the US things are different but here in the UK we can't just sit at the side tof he road selling water - it's 5°C out, people don't by water from beggars in the UK.

Surely this is not a serious comment?


How are you eating and getting internet access if you are not begging now?

It’s just ~8 lines per minute if you work 24/7 for 4 months. Maybe they don’t sleep.

10-12 parallel AI coding sessions running simultaneously.

1.3M lines over 4 months at ~18 hours a day works out to roughly 600 lines per hour total, or about 60 lines per hour per session. One line per minute per session.

The methodology is documented on the repo.


AI writing makes me irrationally angry, when I use AI and tell it to avoid everything from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing and it does improve things. Banning em-dashes, and it's not x it's y false equivalences.

And I use it for myself and what I send to others is 99% written by me.

For people who treat writing, especially business writing as a craft to communicate ideas, seeing AI slop is just like nails on chalk board.

I've copies of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Style and https://workingbackwards.com/ and I've been trying to shift us from a slides-first culture or a quick-email-first culture to a serious writing-first culture.

I genuinely care about this stuff. Thoughtlessly blurting out pages and pages of vanilla unedited LLM output seems disrespectful to the reader.

As writer you're saying: I didn't care enough to craft my message personally, here read this generated content I haven't even seriously edited.

And for the reader it's saying the same: This guy sent me a document to read, I need to sift through it to figure out if there's any actual merit or novel ideas or actional information here.

The asymmetry of effort is disrespectful IMO.


Is this content good? There are 100's of links here, has a smart human reviewed each one? Or was this list compiled with an LLM's help?

I think AI tooling has actually reminded us how useful the terminal really is. running claude code, running formatters and linters and test suites, managing incremental work with git etc. Are all vital in the modern way we write code. I don't see how you can put a glossy UI on top of that and maintain any fine-grained control. Since we're already giving up a LOT of control by having agents write our code, we need to retain some control and certainty over the quality control and review process of the outputs.

If you're not reasoning, are you back to telling non-reasoning models to think step by step to break down tasks?


Not just running right there and re-rendering in the browser you didn't.

We got alone fine for decades without browsers.

Mathematicians used to send each other letters in the mail until very recently. Perhaps I do not understand what you mean?

The process described in the article is literally just checking the boxes blindly for what passes for a design process these days. The guru's say interview customers so they have done just that without really understanding why. Given it's AI it's also possible the whole thing is entirely made up and someone just tweaked the design over an afternoon and shipped it.


for 99% of normies ChatGPT is the only LLM provider they know or have heard of.


99% of normies aren't paying for ChatGPT, there's a reason why they're pushing heavy for corporate welfare + government contracts. They're unable to sell to consumers so now they'll selling to governments while trying to lock-in contracts that subsequent people can't easily dismantle.


Google has llm on front page and have more users


> Model T to 2026 Camry was an amazing shift without really changing the combustion engine.

A lot of times the big jumps in internal combustion engine development have been down to materials science or manufacturing capability improvement.

The underlying thermodynamics and theoretical limits have not changed, but the individual parts and what we make it out of have steadily improved over time.

The other factor to this is the need for emissions reduction strategies as a overriding design factor.

The analogue to these two in LLMs are:

1. The harnesses and agentic systems-focused training has gotten better over time so performance has increased without a step change in the foundation models.

2. The requirements for guardrails and anti-prompt injection and other concepts to make LLMs palatable for use by consumers and businesses.


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