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Bringing this back from a previous comment. Normalizing the "how many gallons does it take" for different foods into Calories per Gallon (items towards the top are more water-efficient):

  Watermelon......... 8.2 cal/gal
  Almond............. 7.0
  Head of broccoli... 5.9
  Cantaloupe......... 3.7
  Corn cob........... 1.5
  Beef............... 0.2
Source: USDA


"USDA" isn't a source. A URL to a document (or a document citation with titles and authors) is a source. I'd like to read that document; do you happen to know the real source?


Calories for all food taken from here: http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/search/list?

Water consumption for everything but beef taken from here: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-gleason-almond-fa...


> for everything but beef

But it's the number for beef that is contentious. That's the whole point of your comment. And, unlike the others, it wasn't included when you made this comment last time.


The number for beef is in the OP article...


Yes, but depending on the beef cut you work from, the kcal/gal number varies from yours to over 1.0.

FWIW: the same exercise comes up with a comparably terrible efficiency rating for rice.


Leanest cut of beef (eye of round) is 526cal/lb http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/7398?man=&lfacet=&cou...

Fattiest beef I could find (70/30 ground) is 1501cal/lb http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/3960?man=&lfacet=&cou...

Using 4000gal/lb, this gives us a range for beef of 0.13-0.38cal/gal. To get to 1.0 you'd have to be using pure tallow


Well, hold on. I don't think the condescension is warranted given that the idea of a "source" refers to attributing where some piece of information comes from. Consider Wikipedia's policy of verifiability, that requires all pages' material to be verifiable, but not necessarily cited. If you are interested enough, just try to find those USDA numbers online!


Very true. I just like when sources are linked by URL so it is verifiable by another user.


USDA is US Department of Agriculture, which I hope we can accept as a neutral commentator on such matters. This is indeed a source, though not a citation.


How sure are you about the gallons/pound stats you're working from? I'm getting wildly different numbers from different sources; I wonder if they're playing with different definitions of "pound" --- for instance, by substituting "beef cuts commonly used for hamburgers" for "beef".

(Beef is indisputably inefficient, of course).

Slightly later

I'm finding it pretty difficult to come up with a credible number for (say) pork. It's easy to find estimates of gallons/lb of pork, but the kcal of different preparations of meat vary wildly, and the gallons/lb may represent all those different cuts (so you'd need % breakdown of all the parts/kcal per animal), or worse, the gal/lb numbers could just based on some representative cut from the animal.


I suspect the variance in the gallons/pound numbers is due to attribution. Water fed to cows counts. Water fed to alfalfa fed to cows counts. Does water fed to farmers who farm alfalfa fed to cows count? What if my cow eats corn, not alfalfa? What if my cow grazes open pasture? Does water spent producing petroleum to freight beef count?


How about the dairy from milk cow? Does that matter for these types of stats?

Did a quick google search, and if the cow produced 2500gal of milk per year for 5 years before becoming meat, and the cow produced about 400lb of meat, then you end up with 1lb of beef + 30 gallons of milk for the amount of water the article states.


My understanding is that dairy cows and beef cows are different breeds, and that dairy cow meat is not normally sold as beef. Is that not the case?


Last I heard dairy cows are butchered for low grade meat. They won't be in your top sirloin but maybe in your ground beef.

The livestock industry does its best to use everything.


Dairy cows produce milk to feed their you g. This, dairy cows are continuously bred through their lives. The female calves go on to be dairy cows. The male calves go on to be veal or low grade meat or animal food.

Once the dairy cow has finished being a dairy cow they're sold off as low grade meat.


I like where your head is at, but I'm not sure how a cow that only consumes 3000-5000 gallons of water in its lifetime could possibly produce 2500 gallons of milk (85% water) every year for five years.


It is 3000-5000 gallons of water per a pound of beef. A cow weighs probably a ton.


Can you explain how you got that 7.0 for almonds? I'm getting a much, much lower number; not as bad as beef, of course, but worse than corn.

Are you using waterfootprint.org's "ground nuts in shell" as a proxy for almonds?


In 2010, melons, squash, and cucumbers combined accounted for 10% of the irrigated crop area of almonds and pistachios in California.

Source: California Department of Water Resources http://www.water.ca.gov/landwateruse/anaglwu.cfm

Further, per the same source, over twice as much water is applied to each acre of almonds and pistachios as each acre of melons, squash, and cucumbers.

What I've found so far for beef statistics doesn't make a lot of sense to me. For instance, California has the 4th largest cattle population in the U.S. (half of Texas' beef population), but is not in the top 10 beef producers. California is the top dairy producer, but it appears that only ~34% of the cattle population is dairy cattle. Further, it appears that chicken has been the meat of choice for the U.S. since the late 1990s.

Source: National Cattlemen's Beef Association: http://www.beefusa.org/CMDocs/BeefUSA/Producer%20Ed/Directio...


e: I read cal/gal as gal/cal and was completely off base. Apologies.


OP article itself says 3000-5000gal/lb. I split the difference and used 4000. The USDA says 1lb of 85/15 ground beef has 975cal/lb: http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/7554?man=&lfacet=&cou...


Thanks! I have been wanting to do that calculation myself.


Am I reading this right: for 1 gal of water, we get 8.2 calories from Watermelon, 7 from Almonds (&etc.) and .. 0.2 calories, per gallon of water, from Beef?


Okay, but we already know that we can't just subsist on Watermelons. Like, you need protein and things.


Have some almonds.




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