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I'm really happy these topics are being discussed here on HN, when they weren't ~1 year ago. When considering a post-USA world, we also get to consider a post-Microsoft, post-Meta, post-Google, post-CloudFlare, post-Amazon, etc world.

I can't say I know much about how the EU operates or how quickly their Open Digital Ecosystems initiative could take shape, but this is a really opportune time to build a better tech industry.

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> I'm really happy these topics are being discussed here on HN, when they weren't ~1 year ago.

They were being discussed a year ago, too, they just got flagged. Make sure to check /active


Corey Doctorow's speech was noteworthy. For anyone who missed it:

The Post-American Internet

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46509019


> Make sure to check /active

Thanks, TIL.


We call it 'the better homepage'.

tbf, less flagged posts hitting /active lately

either they kill them early (delete them) or hn policy quietly changed


What does post-USA world mean?

Who is the leader in culture, business, technology? The only other contender I can think of is China.

And this is better?


>> What does post-USA world mean? >> Who is the leader in culture, business, technology? The only other contender I can think of is China.

>> And this is better?

Who says you need a leader in each of those? Maybe it's post-centralization, or in other words decentralization which people have been wanting for the internet for a while now.


Goes against pretty much all of history. I guarantee you the Chinese officials dont think this way and if your head is in the sand and its up for grabs they will grab it. They exert influence on geopolitics heavily and think in centuries rather than political cycles. Who owns AI and social media/tech will basically excert their values on the worlf

Not really? Technology spread fairly quickly for the last few hundred years, at least in the western world.

Why couldn't China be better? It can't get much worse than what the US is currently doing. It's getting dangerously close to 30s Germany levels of madness. China at least at the moment seems like a better run country, and much less interested in forcing its will on other countries.

Bunisess and technology. Culture ? Highly debatable and certainly not in the last 10 years.

I figure china would be pretty similar for the rest of the world honestly.

Much better.

China is far more reliable and dependable than dealing with a lying narcissistic paedophile and his cronies.


Much better is rather an exaggeration. China is ruthlessly 'colonizing' Africa for example. Not that 'the west' has any leg to stand on criticizing China for it of course.

But China currently is a lot more stable and somewhat more trustworthy than the U.S.


You get downvotes, but even if China is an authoritarian oppressive regime, they are not going around starting wars and threatening their allies, changing directions daily.

I am not Chinese. In fact we feel threatened by China.

However, if China does come to occupy a majorly influential seat at the table it will not be the for the first time. The last time it did, it did not impose it's will beyond its boundaries.

It is to be seen whether that repeats.


Generally, historically it didn't because of what happened during the Sui Dynasty, which was short lived. The lessons from that period is still fairly engrained in the mindsets of Chinese people.

Careful what you wish for, their History revisionism is remarkable and soon you'd find a narrative preaching that Western culture was all made up (in part by the usual suspects), not even the Holocaust will survive - just follow some social media trends and you'll see what's already happening.

> not even the Holocaust will survive

Which one ?


I didn't understand the question, can you expand on it?

My interpretation is that you're asking "which Holocaust won't survive historical revisionism", and there are two options (both are red flags):

- you're deliberately trying to dilute the designation of Holocaust, by stating there are other "holocausts", by which you're probably referring to other genocides - when in reality the Holocaust is the name given to the genocide at the hands of Nazis; it's the same has asking "which Holodomor?" in the context of my statement.

- you're implying the Holocaust didn't exist, as if there was a list of "many holocausts", some historically true, others historically false;


I am questioning the idea that there is one "the holocaust". I understand that is not a very popular notion at some places. (As I anticipated, here comes the downvotes)

Being at the other end of colonialism, we are aware of many holocausts and acknowledge them if not equally we don't identify any one as 'the holocaust'.

Don't get me wrong, I suspect our values mostly agree.

I literally have a 3ft by 3ft Anne Frank's photograph as a poster in my bedroom as a reminder. Lest we forget.

I wrote the code myself to enlarge and distribute, with minimal pixelation, a small photograph of her at her desk. I printed it out split over multiple letter sized sheets. I did not have access to a wide form factor printer then. I still remember figuring out the libpgm libppm libraries from source. Assembled and glued the jigsaw puzzle and framed the result. There are some millimetric misalignments due to printer roller slips.

This was from many decades ago, when I was in college. It is still there on my bedroom wall.


Ok, thank you for clarifying because I thought you were coming from a different place.

Well I disagree.

I don't think the Holocaust took away the word "holocaust" and stripped it off from it's meaning, and from being able to be used to describe other events. I also don't think that was the intent behind the choice.

So much so that I've capitalized the Holocaust.

If it's the right choice or not to name it, I trust the institutions that studied this event.

I also don't think it takes away from the crimes against humanity and genocide of other cultures, some from colonialism, others from racial and ethnic hate.

There's still genocide and colonialism happening to this day, for example at the hands of Russia we have the current genocide in Ukraine and attempt to colonize it. Or what's happening in Gaza.

Maybe it's a cultural difference, but the word "genocide" to describe these crimes strikes me as a very loaded and meaningful word, and accurate word - the Holocaust was a genocide, it carries everything that the Holocaust, Holodomor, native American, Chechens, Armenian genocide, and many other cultures suffered.

Also genocide not only has a definition as a word, but also has a specific legal definition.

While holocaust has its own definition which I don't think it applies to all genocides and crimes against humanity.


Perhaps a Hebrew word would have been the most appropriate in this case. Holocaust is an English word and it is not a proper noun. In any case it's too late to change anything.

Upvoted because I think your comment was downvoted out of emotions this topic triggers.


It is actually a Greek word, that's why it is the same in most other languages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_(sacrifice)


Thanks. I did not know about the etymological roots.

This thread doesn't appear on the homepage, it is only on /active

So uh, threads with wrongspeak in them are still hidden.


I feel like it's ruining HN. The internet did not lack places to talk politics. The comments threads are a solid 20% anti-semitic dog whistles now.

Maybe it's because stuff gets flagged and deleted. But I haven't really seen it? Unless you equalize 'critical of Israel' with 'antisemitic dogwhistle' maybe.

I don’t.

ok, the I apparently read different threads. Which is very well possible of course.

They can be tough to spot. (Which it sort of has to be to be a dog whistle.) Did you spot the one in that resignation letter the other day?

Could you give an example maybe?



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