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> I've often thought the touch screen should be replaced by a socket that accepts an iPad,

The last thing I need is Apple spying on me when I am driving.

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Do you have a car now? A phone? If you are wearing pants you are being tracked right now!

So why all this hysteria about cars tracking us if we already carrying phones with us that has been tracking us for almost 2 decades now?

I'm being a bit sarcastic but also not. I understand the sentiment of people here but also the 2 standards applied.


Because you can choose to leave your phone at home and are travel everywhere by car if you don't want to be tracked. But you can't leave your car at home and travel anywhere.

It is true that we don't need cars sending telemetry to track us since there is a conveniently placed identification number on the front and rear of the car, the number plate (used by government), but this is physically broadcasted and that limits its reach.

So why should the manufacturer of my car have access (and the right to sell) a lot of my personal data like location, weight, age indefinitely just because I own a product manufactured by them?

It is an unnecessary overreach on very sensitive data and I can't really opt out (if buying a modern car) since all manufacturers are doing it.

Yes I also carried a phone everywhere the last 20years, but that doesn't make the tracking right (also on phone I think we should be tracked less).


I understand and agree in general, but the root issue is in the laws and what's permitted to companies. Giving your data to car manufacturers and 3rd parties should be mandated to be disabled by default by law and only enabled with proper informed consent.

> we already carrying phones with us that has been tracking us for almost 2 decades now

Speak for yourself. Also, lack of equivalent for "airplane mode" where it keeps functioning without remote connectivity makes it fundamentally worse.


Because you can leave your phone at home? Because I hate my phone and I'm not happy about that either?

My car does not have a cellular modem in it, and my phone runs GrapheneOS. I use airplane mode extensively and rotate SIMs regularly. Data brokers aren't getting any anything from me.

2005 Toyota, baby! No fucking internet connection or touch screen.

Funny that you say that because of all the big tech companies, Apple has the best track record at fighting for consumer privacy. And you certainly cannot say that for any of the car makers that currently have an EV lineup.

> Apple has the best track record

Best track record compared to Google on phones and Microsoft on PCs. Anyone can be better than that.


Apple has a terrible reputation if you don't cherrypick news. Most of their 'security' stuff is PR work. Its just that rest of competition is even worse.

Your touchscreen is already spying on you.

The principal is there though.

The power of a tablet is far more than is required for an infotainment system. Make a standard, like we used to have for radios and regulate everything to expose all the controls via a standard connection. Standard parts for replacing and sizes for fitting.

The only way we can have nice things is by regulating. I don't want proprietary tyres either.




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