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Yea, that would be great then I can completely ignore them as I am not poor.

It just turns speeding into something you can buy.

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While I agree with your sarcasm, this proposal is a least bad scenario: no enforcement is worse as there’s less incentive to respect the lights.

Sadly money and power buying freedom of law isn’t restricted to road rules.


I would argue such enforcement does not need automation and such automation is often for revenue generation vs saftey focused.

Also, I am a bit biased here after working at flock.


I would argue living in the US has rotted your brain.

Don’t want the state to generate revenue? Literally just stop speeding and stop running red lights.


Is there a non-automatic light enforcement other than placing a policemen at every light - which makes the light useless?

Revenu generation is a bonus point: in my country taxes that incentive smokers to quit are directed to healthcare and most of the speeding tickets revenue goes to road maintenance and safety.

I’d prefer a public handling but the trend is privatization with everything : from health to education to water treatment. Even military assets! IMHO red light tickets enforcement is as much important.


> California's new speed camera pilot (AB 645) explicitly solves for this.

Your mixing up states. California's law from above comment is NOT about running red lights.


> While I agree with your sarcasm, this proposal is a least bad scenario: no enforcement is worse as there’s less incentive to respect the lights.

I disagree. This is acknowledging that these are revenue products rather than safety enhancement.

If you want safety enforcement, put a damn cop there. It WILL work. This isn't hard. People are creatures of habit and you don't need to adjust the behavior of very many of them to make the whole group change.

If you don't want to put a cop there, you don't want safety enforcement.


Well, it's red-light running. But I don't think even rich people will just breeze through every red and pay the fines; it'll add up quickly.

Yea, I think the chance of death will encourage them not to run every red light making mass surveillance unnecessary. The money is a noop for the rich in thus case.

If that is the argument, then we should just drop enforcement of traffic rules alltogether. Because people don't want to have an accident?

But driving reckless and having a big well protected car helps of course, so everyone speeding would want even bigger and better armored cars.

Those daring to drive light vecicles or even bicycles, screw them?

Here in germany we managed to have automated red light tickets, without saving video at all btw. Just a picture (or multiple) of the incident. The picture is tied to the traffuc lights logic so knows when red light was on.

Now I am not really a fan of them, but they do work without mass surveillance.


Privacy protections in US are horrid compared to Germany. Grounded in reality, not going to happen uniformly in all states.

Also, I bike often and driver right turn on green without looking has nearly gotten me a few times. Dont get me started on lack of bicycle infra in most us cities :0




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