You're not supposed to do anything.

Why on earth would you discourage someone from finding joy in their work? It's possible.

I'm sure believing that helps you if that's been your own experience. But it's demonstrably possible, at least for people for are not you.

Like, are you reading "find joy" as "find a job doing what you already love"? Those are different things.

This affectation of weary cynicism is so easy and popular. I'm over it.

But isn't that a bad way to live life? Spending the best years of life working a job that you don't like so that you get weekends free?

Starving is worse.

Try to find a job that is tolerable and devote your free time to things that make you happy - family, friends, hobbies, etc

You're both not wrong.

What @surgical_fire is describing is the "minimum viable product" for a career. It's the thing that serves the basics on Maslow's Hierarchy.

What @hshshshshsh is describing is anything past that. We briefly exist sandwiched between two eternities -- shouldn't we care about the quality of our time during the thing that takes up the largest quantity of our time?

The problem is that, the issue that @hshshshshsh is pointing out is precisely what makes the minimum @surgical_fire is describing damn near impossible to find.

Because no one gives a shit about users, values, mission, etc, the company suffers and turns into a shit-show, incentivizing people to become more selfish so that they don't get sucked into the vortex of shit.

In order to reach the minimum of a "tolerable" job that doesn't suck up all your free time or make your time there a living hell, the company _must_ engage with at least some of what @hshshshshsh is describing.

This requires some amount of good faith from the majority involved. This is a tricky and fragile thing. It's easy to lose. And thus the cycle begins anew.

Ultimately, we need more people thinking like @hshshshshsh so that we can get what @surgical_fire is describing.

You should consider doing standup comedy. That made me smile.