Reading through this, mostly struck by how positive it seemed toward "the West". Admittedly, from a British immigrant perspective, which may have something to do with the result.
However, many of the quotes could have relatively easily replaced "Indian" with "American" and I'm not sure I would have noticed other than the occasional references to India specific cultural institutions and caste ideas.
- Many people lie openly. Everyone knows everyone lies, but everyone lies anyway. Many 'Americans' convince themselves of their lies so that they can no longer differentiate between fact and fiction.
- Among ordinary 'Americans', conversations revolve around backbiting, gossiping about friends, discussing celebrities, exchanging superstitions, and animosity toward other groups.
- When I was a child growing up in 'America', I learned that “might makes right.” Power was often abused, with those in control acting as if they had a God-given right to exploit and dominate others. The display of authority could be so extreme that questioning it or expecting those in power to do their duty might lead to retribution. Those in authority seemed to believe that their positions were not for serving others but for personal gain.
This is garbage. There are lots of things wrong in India and should be discussed (as in many other countries) but the vitriol in this article is off the charts and mostly has no basis in facts. This is just rabid Anti-Indian sentiment masquerading as scholarly commentary.
I didn't post anything, the video I linked to is in the article in the OP. I'm just clearing up the claim that this is sourced from some white supremacist website. It is not true. I don't claim to agree with anything in the video.
You didn't have to post the video. The fact that it is being amplified by white racist supremacist sites is exactly what nobody wants. It is garbage and is better ignored and left to die.
The OP didn't post the video at first. But people thought he was lying, so he showed evidence. Then you attacked him for defending himself and accused him of complicity.
There is no "you attacked him for defending himself and accused him of complicity" going on here. Everybody has a personal responsibility w.r.t. communication in public forums like this else it can easily degenerate into a cesspool of hateful internet filth.
There's a link to the speech this excerpt is from. The guy speaking is very clearly Indian. The source of this is not from a white supremacist organization, of course they'd salivate at finding it and publish it but that's not where it comes from.
No, "American Renaissance" is the original publisher who published the article the 19th of this month. "Zero Hedge" published the article five days later on the 24th of this month.
Well, it suggests they are not all dumb. Also having been to India I'd say they are fairly normal in inherent IQ, but quite a lot of people are illiterate and would have a job confronted with an IQ test.
No. There is essentially no credible research anywhere that ranks countries like this. People are usually citing Richard Lynn's "IQ and the Wealth Of Nations", which has a risible methodology; that paper gives India an 82, not a 77, which is interesting only to the extent that it muddies the waters of where this author got that absurd claim from.
Any time you see a country => IQ mapping somewhere, you should assume you're getting worked. Lynn's work is the most credible attempt at that, and nobody even a little bit serious takes it even a little bit seriously.
Stipulating that it's even possible to produce this kind of ranking, and that it would be meaningful, your answer: because reliably generating the data you would need to do it is a ludicrously expensive proposition. It is a little wild that people sort of automatically buy the idea that Richard Lynn had access to the data he would have needed to perform this analysis!
IQ tests have been around for over 120 years now, haven't they?
I haven't read Richard Lynn's books before, looks like I should check them out, if for anything to see what's going on there.
When I visited "developing" countries, there is for sure something going on (or not going on) there. IQ seems to be a factor, probably due to a lack of nutrition. Or maybe it's a more spiritual thing. Whatever it is, a study based on quantifying the difference is only so helpful either way. While I don't quite know what I saw while I was there, I know that I saw it.
I can see that such problems are prevalent in any large society with a low standard of living and therefore fewer opportunities. Or you could say that too much competition and fighting for mere survival corrupts people.
But I don't know if the situation is as hopeless as the author describes. Maybe in a personal sense it is hopeless to change society. But there is always a larger undercurrent that we often overlook. Nature dictates that everything that is damaged beyond repair will be destroyed. And rebuilt, renewed.
And in this sense: happy holidays and a happy new year!
It strikes me as odd that India is not talked about more the caste system goes against 500 years of Western philosophy. I suspect there will be a lot of issues with integration.
It is remarkable that this steaming pile of utter horse shit is on the front page, considering Zero Hedge is a far-right website masquerading as intellectualism. Then again, I shouldn't be surprised, as this kind of nonsense is frequently tolerated and encouraged here.
A good chunk of tech is lobbying for unfiltered online speech. Which is fair, and I get it. But anyone who was close to running / knows people who run general purpose forums could attest how this is the norm. People love hating online, and it’s just swinging from one extreme to others. This month’s flavour is India.
While I don't agree with the sentiments expressed here, it's an excerpt from this speech https://youtube.com/watch?v=-1Mg4nXJ21Y and not original to the website that published it.
Again, I don't agree with it. I replied to this comment already. I'm just clearing up a lie, that this material is sourced from a white supremacist website. It's not. It's sourced from an Indian guy who makes his living understanding India for clients who wish to operate there.
I have actually lived in India. I experienced a lot of what the author talks about with regard to corruption, the culture of corruption, the dirtiness and how the cities are jam packed beyond imagination, there's a culture of degradation of those viewed as lesser than you. But in my experience it's not an honorless society devoid of all virtue and all that like the speaker said. Many people do have a sense of real justice there and do want those aspects of the society to be changed, I could tell you stories that would make you weep with joy. I think the speaker is overly cynical about the state of India socially.
You don't have to agree with it, but by giving such videos greater visibility you are certainly helping in amplifying its hateful contents, much of which is outright slander and vitriolic falsehoods.
I am an Indian currently living in India but have also lived in the US for a long time. Even with that knowledge i would never use such inflammatory language to describe the ills of either country. The person has an hateful agenda not meaningful to solving any problems and hence should not be tolerated nor given any publicity.
I don't care about amplification. I don't buy that silence wrongthink bs. Something is true or it's not. Use your brain to determine if it is true. I used mine, I don't think it's true. I'm not going to refrain from discussing and referencing ideas because some people are afraid to talk about them. It isn't enough for you that I don't think that way, you want me to not even talk about what someone else said. Fuck that. To be candid, you can take your "you shouldn't be allowed to say that" crap and stuff it up your ass.
If you can't understand the difference between how to talk logically about issues vs. agenda driven "hate speech", then i can only repeat your own words to you i.e. "take your opinion crap and stuff it up your ass".
Nobody is trying to do "thought control" here. The point is that some subjects should be approached properly and respectfully in order to have some sort of a discussion else it is merely rabble-rousing for the peanut gallery.
However, many of the quotes could have relatively easily replaced "Indian" with "American" and I'm not sure I would have noticed other than the occasional references to India specific cultural institutions and caste ideas.