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And this site quite fittingly has one narrow and centered column with huge left and right gaps.

Otherwise I think the majority of windows laptops now have touch screens, so while they still have a pointer based input most of the time, touch friendly design is an advantage for the majority of the users.

It would be nice to have specific dedicated designs for all cases, but I am sympathetic with how much of a challenge that is.



Not trying to detract from your point, and maybe I’m “out of touch” but I don’t see hardly anyone but a rare few folks actually using touch screen laptops.

I see many people with laptops, but other than one person I know who exclusively buys Microsoft Surface laptops, the average laptop user I know is just typing and clicking away like normal.

How many folks actively go looking for touch in their laptop? I keep hearing about it on YouTube reviews, but even in families with kids, the kids don’t even use the touch features even if the laptop supposedly has it.

I’m just amazed how much “touch on laptop” comes up and I quite literally never see it in reality.


I have actively gone looking for a way to disable the touchscreen on my laptop, because I explicitly never intend to use it - who wants to look at smudgy fingerprints? It only gets activated by accident and I'd rather not have it at all.


Yes, that option is need on all inputs really.

I know some disable the touchpad to not have to bother with palm rejection and accidental touches at all. Same for shitting off mouse input when the touchpad is used. And so many other combinations.


Well.. I've been using touch on my laptops since the start. My current laptop is a mini asus "tablet pc" with detachable keyboard. When I'm just web browsing I detach the keyboard and use touch. But even on normal laptops I got from work I'd prefer touch for many things like scrolling over the built in touchpad.

Especially when I'm using the laptop as a portable device on my lap, in a plane or on a bus.

I have to admit I don't use touchscreens that much when I can put a laptop on top of a desk. But when I'm sitting at a desk I much prefer a desktop pc.


I mostly use an iPad when i don’t need a keyboard, especially when sitting on a couch (typing this on my iPad).

I noticed that as soon as I pair the iPad with a Bluetooth keyboard, and an external display, I’ll also use my mouse to navigate.

So, even for a touch first device like an iPad, when using a keyboard, touch is not the best way to navigate.


It doesn't need to be the best though, just needs to be good enough for specific use cases. Same way pen support on the iPad is great, though not everyone will use it extensively nor have it as their best way to do anything.


I saw it a bunch with family members. They're not using touch as a primary interface, but more as an alternative to click a button in the middle of the screen or select stuff on the laptop screen wen their mouse is on their external display. I'd suspect there's many "occasional touch" users, in particular on laptops where the trackpad is not great.

But yes, people going full hog on touch usually have Surface pro or Yoga like devices in the first place and won't be an average user. And people used to point fingers at their screens tend to hate it now that it actually reacts.


In uni, a couple students had those tablet/laptop reverse foldable devices as a fancy notepad, used with a stylus.


Started uni recently. My friends have those. They don’t have or use a mouse. All they use is touchpad and the touchscreen. Well, to be honest, a lot of them don’t have a touchscreen yet still don’t use a mouse.


Most Windows laptops definitely do not have touch screens, and most(?) users also tend to use a desktop monitor most of the time (the only ergonomic choice).


> Otherwise I think the majority of windows laptops now have touch screens

a) I would be really interested in the reasoning behind that opinion

b) Even if a laptops screen is touch-capable, it still has a precision pointing device

c) PCs exist, and so do docking stations.




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