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Yes and my point is, if you actually had a society where you didn't need to own a car at all, that is what would actually help poor people. Far more then congrats now you can buy 50kg of rice at once and save 0.05c per kg.

If you actually lived in a society where there are cheap apartments in walking or biking distance from reasonable urban infrastructure and all the job that are there. So that you don't have to pay for your commute, or have some very local public transport.

That is what actually safes real money. That is how people in really poor places, like the Eastern block could reasonably approach a decent standard of living with far lower GDP. They lived in apartments, and had most things they needed close to them.

That is how you systematically can even approach to solving these issues.

If your analysis is restricted to, poor people can't utilize economics of scale on an individual bases, then you have a flawed view of poverty.

Consistently housing cost and transportation cost approach almost 50% of total living cost even for the middle class. And more then that for the poor, add food and you are going 90%+.

So if you can systematically so something to reduce housing cost and transportation cost, then you are actually changing lives on a real scale. Far more then buying food in slightly larger quantities, far more then buying slightly higher quality shoes.



you've moved the goalpost.

Also: If we had a cashless society things would be different, but we don't, so they're not. These what-if's don't actually help the poor.


> If we had a cashless society

No idea what cashless has to do with anything ...

70 years of bad urban planning really did hurt the poor and the only way to fix it is to actually fix those issues systematically. Not sure how this is moving the goal post. This is the exact topic we are discussing 'Why it costs so much to be poor'.

And it doesn't actually take that much, a few changes to zoneing law, different usage patterns for existing infrastructure, some extra bus lines and so on. Nothing that is actually crazy or that expensive. These things could have a huge impact already.

Obsessing over minor issues like food bulk buy vs smaller shopping when housing and transportation is the true issue is actually the exact problem.


yes panick21_, you're totally right, fixing the poor people problem is totally easy, if only people would listen to you!


Lol, who is moving the goal posts now. You simply lost the argument.

Nothing completely solves the poor people problem and I have not claimed on doing so. Specially when we talk about thing we do in first world nations, as most people live in places like India and Indonesia and the problems there are actually pretty different.

They lack infrastructure when in the US the problem is actually that there is, to much and it not used effectively.

This articles is about:

> The cost of being poor: Why it costs so much to be poor in America

And I am point out things that are almost universally accepted by urban planning community know-days. It address this specific point, why cost of living are so high in the US for poor people.

Addressing these points would not solve poverty, but it would reduce a huge cost burden from a huge part of the population and would improve living quality substantially.

This was modeled by a famous urban planner for California: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUtdFbK4YG4




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