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By the end of the century robots will be doing most of the work anyway

1) What if they don't? 2) The end of the century is 78 years away, somebody's going need to turn you on your side every few hours when you're in that old folks home - what happens if there aren't enough people to do those jobs?



> somebody's going need to turn you on your side every few hours when you're in that old folks home - what happens if there aren't enough people to do those jobs?

Obviously we will have robots doing that job! Elder care is already a major area of robotics effort in Japan.

And if the robots don't get there? Well, it's not terrible. A smaller population doesn't need as many buildings erected, or crops grown etc. Some people can move in from other countries. I'm confident it will all work out.


Or more callous take is that we let people either die or choose euthanasia... We might be in for serious societal changes.


The notion of retirees dying alone surrounded by robots doesn’t strike you, at all, as kinda weird and dystopic?


What do you mean? Hopefully they will be surrounded by family members and friends, none of whom were burnt out or financially ruined by looking after an elderly relative but instead are receiving and providing love and support while robots do the "dirty work" as it were.

You might look how elderly patients and other end-of-life patients are treated by their (almost all quite low-paid) carers. It's pretty shocking, but the experience of being the person providing that care is also pretty shocking.

I think you underestimate the emotional and physical labour involved in looking after a dying person, and in particular a relative. I saw (mostly remotely) my mother in law die and her two younger daughters restructured their lives to help her -- and this despite the twice daily visits from the Diakonie to change dressings, attend to medication etc. And, because that was in Germany there was no meaningful financial burden for this process.

There's another factor: my mid-80s mother (herself a physician) doesn't want human caregivers for privacy and prodding sake. She doesn't mind human physiotherapist or actually talking to another doctor about her complaints. But she doesn't want people fussing over her. And her mother in law (my grandmother), from a completely different culture from a completely different continent, also hated the consequences of losing her autonomy. She was still delivering meals on wheels at 89, and when she finally needed assistance in her 90s, just couldn't stand it.

IMHO machines that support more autonomy for people are an unalloyed good.


> retirees dying alone surrounded by robots

You’re describing modern Japan, FYI.


Unfortunately not yet. Lower salary workers work hard to care them now.


I mean this sincerely. I will kill myself before I become such a massive burden on society. I will not needlessly cling to life at the expense of others.


I can say the same right now, while it's still a distant abstract thought. I've said to my wife repeatedly that I'd rather leave my family some inheritance and go on my own terms than have the nursing home take it all so that I can live, bedridden, for a few extra years.

But I might feel different in a few decades if my physical body starts breaking down while my mind still works. Maybe I'll become afraid of death, or I'll suddenly want to stay alive watch my kids/grandkids grow up.


The robots won’t let you, they need you for their economy metrics.




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