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I'm referring to dumps of the hackers themselves, detailing their chat logs, emails, bitcoin transactions, ssh traffic, etc. Not just the exploit-based traffic.

If I ran the NSA, I'd have every hacker group I could find under total surveillance.

I have video of the moon landings and the testimony of thousands of people that were physically involved.



> I'm referring to dumps of the hackers themselves, detailing their chat logs, emails, bitcoin transactions, ssh traffic, etc. Not just the exploit-based traffic.

Do you think this is how the NSA operates? They have that big ol' office building so they can email each other incriminating evidence, pay themselves with bitcoin, and ssh into rooted boxes from government facilities?

This is state-sponsored warfare, not script kiddies or hacker gangs.


It sounds like you're confused...I'm saying the NSA may have chat logs of the hacking group itself.

These "hacking groups" range from script kiddies that can barely phish, to world class programmers working with billions in resources.

Regardless of who did it, it's entirely possible that the NSA has damning evidence of what went down.


No, I think you're confused. I pointed out that:

* NSA is a top-tier state-sponsored actor.

* NSA doesn't leave chat logs, bitcoin transactions, or email logs lying around to be hacked.

* Another top-tier state-sponsored actor would act the same way (no chat logs).

* If a foreign state was behind those attacks, the NSA would not be able to find chat logs (because they don't exist).

* Therefore, your acceptance that the Kremlin was behind the attacks cannot depend on the NSA releasing that kind of evidence.

It's paradoxical. The evidence wouldn't exist if that fact held true. Honestly, I would be more suspicious if the NSA released the kind of evidence you were asking for.

Not to say it's true or false either. These are spy games, there's never 100% confidence...




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