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I'd think they just can't sell the phones preloaded with graphene in regions where these laws exist.


They could also patch their "stock" version of GrapheneOS.


I feel like Graphene wouldn't stand for that


Id also want to load GOS myself, pre-loading it seems like it defeates some of the point


GrapheneOS allows you to verify the integrity

https://grapheneos.org/install/web#hardware-based-attestatio...


I think that's worse than reinstalling because there could be a non-persistent exploit in the secure element allowing a malicious OS to fake attestation


Why dont they just offload the legal burden onto the users with a "Enter your * or decline" and move on? Taking this half compromizing position is easier to defend i think.


Not really, thousand of sellers are selling products in places they "shouldn't", law and enforcement of law is very different (average Aliexpress seller will sell you counterfeit product and ship to the US and just wouldn't care), and some website/business owners just have balls, GrapheneOS could just relocate the company to some offshore jurisdiction and sell only through a bunch of third-parties that wouldn't care about local laws at first.


It cracks me up that the toggle for this advises you that it will cause your battery to die faster


Displaying seconds on macOS also causes higher CPU usage for WindowServer.


I'd think it'd be useful to opt-in to a 24-hr app installation blackout for scenarios like this.

But also, Google would definitely give 5-eyes a tool to bypass this for whatever they wanted to do to your phone.


Good point.


It'll be interesting to see how the timing is enforced. Can you just set up your own NTP server to fool your phone into thinking it's really the future (and not just you adjusting your phone's clock manually). Will Google run a clock that you have to get a timestamp from (would it be easy to setup your own MITM proxy to get around this?). If the time somehow jumped backwards, would you lose the ability to install apps? Can google remotely disable this after it's already enabled (I think yes)?


They're treating users like toddlers. Having to wait 24 hours to use my phone how I want to?


Assuming she pays taxes on the house, who cares if she lives there?


This isn't just a good idea -- it's a forward-thinking policy to ensure Hacker News remains a collaborative place to have meaningful discussions for years to come.


A case like this is still theoretically winnable, different courts have different opinions, and higher level courts have yet to weigh in


My new ToS I sent them allows me to appoint anyone (including my self) as the arbiter.


That's a nice daydream - but v1.0 gave them exclusive rights to update the ToS or pick arbiters. Along with lots of other "heads we win, tails you lose" stuff. :(


Have had issues w/ doing k8s over residential wan once I had enough hosts in my cluster

(though they were halfway across the US from each other, and not town)


So far everything is under 15ms apart, but it is a small number of nodes so far. Did you mostly have trouble with etcd?


Yeah, etcd was the main culprit, but latency was 150-300ms in my case. At 3 nodes, it was relatively stable (had an issue every week or so that lasted < 5 min), but at 4 the camel's back broke.


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