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What does it mean to say 30,000 monthly credits and 1500 daily refresh credits? If my project takes 7000 credits (the way your demo does) then does that mean I couldn’t actually do it on the lowest available pricing plan because I couldn’t use 7000 credits in one run? If this is the case, what am abysmal pricing model!


The daily refresh isn't a cap on usage, it's additional credits you get each day (resets to 1,500 nightly regardless of use).

You can use your full 30k balance in a single run if needed. The daily refresh just tops you back up over time so you're not waiting for a monthly reset.


In the demo video you shared (yt link) how many credits did that whole project take? What is the prices to fix elements of it (for example of you dislike a minor aspect of the generated spreadsheet do follow up instructions utilize only the narrow subset of agents that has been demoed to that subtask, or does it create new agents who have to create new context in the narrow follow up task?)


Credits are consumed by the blocks that get generated, not by the agents themselves. Some blocks are cheaper than others. A simple prompt or image block is a single model call, while browser use or deliverable blocks like documents and spreadsheets run models in a loop and cost more. Blocks also cost more when they have more blocks connected to them (more input tokens).

In the demo video I shared, the task cost about ~7,000 credits since it ran around 10 BrowserUse blocks and produced multiple deliverables.

If you want to fix a specific block (or set of blocks), you can select them and the chat will scope itself to primarily work on those. In that case fewer blocks run, so it's cheaper.


7000 credits, ouch. The tool is really cool, I do think it's super useful. I also like the swarm particle animations in the backround.


Is it possible to build self-improving swarm loops? (ie swarm x builds a thing, swarm y critiques and improved x’s work, repeat…)


We've only partially explored this so far, but it's a great suggestion.

The canvas architecture naturally supports this kind of loop since agents can already read and build on each other's outputs — so the plumbing is there, it's more about building the right orchestration on top. Definitely something we're exploring.


This is a tool I need. But I am so tired of stuff like this getting abandoned after 4 months that I am reluctant to even try.

I wonder if the ease of building amazing new projects leads to a sort of cycle of fatigue and end-user resistance that leads to even faster abandonment.

Very cool idea and looks like a neat implementation. I am cheering for your success and cheering even more deeply (in a philosophic sort of way) for this to be still around in few years.


Thanks a lot! I think that's the kind of support that helps keeping such projects around.

I do have more feature ideas I want to add and I'm basically dogfooding this to myself and I have no plans to abandon it so far.


This is interesting, but the pricing model does not incentivize trial. I would have tried if I could test the ai feature for 7 days, but the free version not having the ai makes me move on.


You say this, “ Want to appear more often in AI responses? Gumshoe offers tactical suggestions to improve your brand’s rank in AI search.” But how? I’m not asking for trade secrets, but is it just about publishing seo-style content on Rover’s website that is optimized for LLMs instead of Google algo?

And what is the moat? Won’t every SEO agency just morph to selling this?


Yep pointing out features of someone’s site that aren’t optimized for LLM’s is part of it. But the bigger piece is figuring out what 3rd party content is being used as sources for a relevant topic.

SEO agencies use software like this to help their clients. We are already working with some of them. Someone has to do the work of upgrading one’s website & content & it’s usually an agency. We won’t be offering the services - we’ll partner with agencies to do that.


Any plans for an API?


Not in the next quarter, but in Q2 2025.


What do you anticipate pricing will be? How much can the user manage (create) the vocab list?


Hello, thanks for checking out. Vocab builder plan will likely cost $4 per month. That's for unlimited vocab creation (custom vocab). unlimited scheduling for review.


This is so cool and something I’ve wanted for a long time, but it isn’t quite right yet (for what I personally want in an app like this.)

I am your target market, and I’d buy the lifetime /annual sub in a second if it had these features:

I want control of the SR sequence or, I want to know what SR algo you are using and know it is best practice model. The landing page says 4 sends, but that isn’t true SR.

The next thing, I’d want to see all of my “cards” or information pieces when I am logged in, so I can see and edit and delete and keep the database clean with a total view of content. The next thing I’d need (maybe you have this?) is for the email to effectively be a flash card, where the email content is the front and a link the email takes me to the “back” of the card so I can’t use cloze delete and other techniques. The last thing is bulk upload of content via a csv so I can bulk import mochi /anki / llm generated content.

I wish you luck with this and would (selfishly) encourage you to not ship so many different things, and instead encourage you to pick one and make it best in class for niche users like me who would spend and spend on premium solutions, but won’t spend on superficial implementations.


Can't thank you enough for the feedback. These are all great ideas which I'll look into.

I was wondering what is your experience with Anki? Are there reasons you are looking into alternatives or do you just like the idea of getting stuff by email? Thanks again!


On the topic of SR specifically, what does it mean to be best in class? I am just a layperson who uses a SR tool or two and has a passing interest in the topic, but the Wikipedia article on SR gives the impression that there are a variety of algorithms out there and none are established by research to be definitively better than the others, in fact the Criticism section mentions a study which found that absolute spacing was just as good. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaced_repetition#Research_and...

The OP said he's using Ebbinghaus' "forgetting curve" which is not exactly a SR algorithm but something similar, there is an actual formula associated with it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgetting_curve



Hey not to distract from OPs post, but I wanted to get into SR for a while, and your "what is your algo" question aligns with my line of thinking when approaching new methodology.

Could you please share your SR tech stack? Are there good apps etc., that can make the process a bit easier? The pen-and-paper approach I used in uni for learning kanji / new languages has scarred me somewhat, so I am eager to try something tech-heavy.


Hey, happy to help here.

During my research, I found this Reddit post which was in lots of help, especially for beginners.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anki/comments/17u01ge/spaced_repeti...

They expand their work on their GitHub as well.

https://github.com/open-spaced-repetition/fsrs4anki/wiki/Spa...


Congrats on the launch! I second the request for lifetime pricing option.

Also, the jump between $4/mo to $59/mo could use more explanation to justify the price gap.

It's worth considering listing GinkoNotes on AppSumo if you decide to offer a lifetime deal. I think it would do extremely well.


Hey, there is a lifetime option and it's just the higher number you mentioned.

I suppose it's not immediately obvious that it's a one-off purchase, so I'll be working on the design aspect of this.

Thanks for your interest and suggestions!


You should try Readwise


Why email at this point and not just Anki?


Not the person you asked - but for me it is that I check emails compulsively any other app I have to remember/tend to forget. Like Todoist is great but I can go weeks without opening it and I skip tasks because of it unless I set email notifications.


Hmm. SRS is a daily commitment though. If you skip it the reviews just pile up, which tends to be painful enough that you quickly learn it's a daily commitment. I couldn't imagine getting 150 emails a day to review stuff, or that being a workable UX.


I think 10-20 flashcards a day is better than 0. But on the other hand it might not be rate to learn something quickly enough.


With the original Anki algorithm the rule of thumb is your daily review load will be 5x your rate of new cards per day. So 10 to 20 reviews per day is between 2 to 4 new cards per day. Definitely not enough for language learning, which is my use-case, but may be ok for certain other things.


> 2 to 4 new cards per day. Definitely not enough for language learning

What is your expected rate of acquisition for a new language?

40*365 ~ 14 000 new cards a year - that's a ten thousand word vocabulary with four thousand cards to spare for grammar, idioms etc?


When I learned Japanese around 15 years ago I did 10k in one year. Was a great pace. Still speak it to this day, so it worked like a charm.

I try to target 35 a day, and expect to hit that at least 80% of the time.


An amazon driver hit and run our car parked on the street in front of our house and did a lot of damage. we figured it from neighbor’s ring camera.

we messaged Amazon chat support. It was all very easy and procedural. Clearly this happens all the time because we were just moved through a process that took a few weeks, and we were fully reimbursed.

I’m not saying not to document everything, but our strategy was just to take extensive notes every day in case it ended up in a lawsuit. But the reality was they didn’t challenge anything and just moved us through a property damage pipeline.


Please tell me you have your own security cameras now.


And that they were bought from Amazon!


And the delivery truck crashed the gate. Amazon recursion model!


And that Amazon didn't stop supporting them suddendly!


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