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Free speech erosion under Biden... can you elaborate?

Nothing productive will come out of this conversation.

There are a lot of people who are unhappy with the steps the government took to crack down on COVID misinformation, and some people are still upset about Twitter's decision to limit spread of the Hunter Biden laptop story (which was entirely unilateral, and reversed within 24 hours).

Both of these took place in 2020, when Trump was president, but of course Trump's greatest coup was to make everybody think Biden was president in 2020.


The number of media outlets that spiked the laptop story is shameful.

There really isn’t a good excuse.



Remind me who was president in 2020..

Fair, that one wasn't a good example for this.

Though IMHO it's not just a Biden problem, it's a "everybody in power" problem. They just can't seem to resist (ab)using their power to shape the conversation and censor their opponents. It's also not new, it's been happening for hundreds of years at least. But it did get a lot more brazen under Biden IMHO with Twitter/Facebook etc and admin officials telling private companies what to censor (err, "moderate").


Damn it's really an infringement on our rights that they cracked down on people yelling "fire" in a crowded theater

This is your regularly mandated PSA that the quote about "yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater" comes from Schenck v US, which used that analogy to justify why the government could ban people from protesting the draft in WW1. It is not good law anymore, and has been fully superseded since the Brandenburg v Ohio case which limited the exemption to "imminent lawless action."

Oh well when you put it that way, I guess it's good that kids are dying of measles again.

Read the links. It wasn't just that. People from the administration were actively talking with social media companies and telling them to take stuff down. At some points they even demanded it.

andy do you really think the Hunter Biden laptop story was equivalent or even close to "yelling fire in a crowded theatre"?


twitters own lawyers argue against this reading in 2023, see page 11 onwards:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.38...


They didn't. Fbi told Facebook etc to be on the lookout for Russia pushing stories to influence elections etc, they didn't ask them to do anything specific. Bidens campaign did ask Twitter to remove nudes of his son, which already broke Twitters own rules. This is why the twitterfiles were a nothing burger.

thank you

I think more likely - no PM, no Designer, one stressed out Mega PM-D-SWE


Kind of a scary thought - a DC in space can't be stopped by protests or regulation


That could be one reason they want to do it. Maybe by using data from Palantir or harvested from Elon's work with DOGE, along with twitter user data and whatever else they can get, they want their AI to be the all-seeing eye of Sauron. (Which isn't too far from what the whole ad-tech industry is about in the first place.) Or they want to make sexually explicit deepfakes of everyone Elon doesn't like. Or they want to flood the internet with AI generated right-wing propaganda.


let's hope this holds, i have no reason to expect that in 2026


unreal


bingo


Rocket Money is an app designed for millennials to hand over their important banking information to Rocket Mortgage in exchange for "help cancelling subscriptions".


It's always seemed to me to be targeted at people too young/poor to buy a house. What does rocket mortgage want with random people's financial statements? Of course when you actually do take out a mortgage you find that you're forced to give up an absolutely shocking amount of personal info (usually via very insecure feeling channels). So if you are offering mortgages you don't have to do all that extra work/advertise so much on tv to get data.

Genuine question because as mentioned I don't use the product (nor do I care enough to rabbit hole).


the words themselves have influence, regardless of who spoke them.


very cool


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